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Old 10th October 2005, 23:12
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Play the Google Game!

INTRODUCTION
I had the distinct pleasure of meeting our reputable ranking member Vamsi in person this weekend. Inevatably we talked a little about Baanboard, and one of the things we both noted was how poorly our home away from home ranks in the search engines.

A current google search on the term 'baan' lists respectively:

1. SSA
2. IT Toolbox
3. BaanFans
4. BWU

BaanFans!!!!!!??????

BaanBoard does not occur in the first 200 references.

Here are some other terms and rankings:

Term: 'Baan help' rank: >200
Term: 'Baan community' rank: 5
Term: 'Baan ERP' rank: >200

THE GAME
So here is the game. As a team of 7.5k worldwide users who use baan and believe Baanboard is the only toolbox we need, we are going to hijack that number 2 position.

SSA can have their no. 1 throne, but we will be next in line.

THE RULES
The rules are simple for there is only one: Don't get Baanboard or Patrick in trouble.
The effect of link farms and other Google-steroids is questionable. Google is certainly aware of these methods and may actually penalize our score. More on Google's methodology later.

TIPS
1. Link, link, link. If there is no baanboard link on your homepage yet, put one there now. Make sure the word 'baan' is in the link. for instance, don't say BaanBoard but say Best BaaN Community .

2. Start a blog now. For the time being blog-o-spheres are great linking machines.

3. Use baanboard in your sig. On other forums that you might visit, but also here.

4. Talk about Baan on other places and as always, link back to baanboard.com

5. Suggest changes to BaanBoard.com that will have a positive impact on our ranking. To help you in determining what will work best, here is the official Google ranking algorithm, not to be confused with the various urban legends about google scoring that you will find on the net.


So have at it! Go have some fun and lets see how soon we can drive IT Toolbox out of its seat. I will post frequent updates on our google score in this thread.
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Old 11th October 2005, 08:30
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I think this is a great idea! Some hints on "how to achivie good google scores" can be found at eg. http://www.nigritudeultramarines.com/ and (german) http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/58647.
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Francesco,

Sounds like you had a great time discussing Baanboard I think it is a great idea so I am all for it. By all means try to improve our ranking in a positive and constructive manner. Google ranking has always been a mysterious phenomenon to me to say the least. Since we upgraded to vbulletin 3 the low-text version of Baanboard (called Archive) is available to anyone for reading including search engines. Even the old problem of search-engine-unfriendly-URLs is lifted by this feature. Futhermore, we are not blocking Googlebots in any other way, either through standard robots.txt file or bot traps. So there is no reason really why Google should and cannot index the entire contents of the forum.

The reason why Baanfans has such a high score by the way I think is a historical one. Given the fact that once upon a time Baanfans was indeed very popular and heavily used and the fact that Google indexing/ranking schemes have considerably changed since then, make me believe that it was much easier in the old days to get a good spot on the Google list.
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Old 11th October 2005, 18:54
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Great article on the nigritude ultramarine challenge

Notice how the author uses both words as often as possible, with links, boldened and captioned versions (emphasized), but always in a textual setting that is either relevant, or so irrelevant that its unnoticed.

I love the ending "chapter titles": Isn't ultramarine a bird? lol

Also noticeable is the use of correct css and xhtml. This scores some brownie points with the googlebots.

Now lets take a look at our opening page.

Code:

<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
<html>
<head>
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1">
<meta name="Description" content="Baan Professional Forum - Baan Online Reference - Introduction">
<meta name="Keyword" content="Baan, baan, BaanIV, BaanERP, iBaan, forum, jobs, support, reference">
<meta http-equiv="refresh" CONTENT="7;URL=baanboard/index.php">
<link href="master.css" rel="stylesheet" type="text/css">
<title>Baanboard: Start Page</title>
</head>
<body>

<a href="/bot-trap/"><img src="baanboard/clear.gif" border="0" alt=" " width="1" height="1"></a>
<table border="0" cellspacing="100" cellpadding="0" align="center">
  <tr>
	<td align="center">
	<table class="tborder" cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="0">
	  <tr>
		<td class="tcat">
			Vote against software patents!
		</td>
	  </tr>
	  <tr>
   		<td class="page" align="center">
      		  	<a href="http://demo.ffii.org/"><img border="0" src="images/nopatents.gif" alt="No Patents!" width="468px" height="60px" /></a>
    		</td>
  	  </tr>
	</table>
	</td>
  </tr>
  <tr>
	<td align="center">
	<table class="tborder" cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="0">
	  <tr>
		<td class="tcat" colspan="2">
			Baanboard.com Start Page
			<span class="smallfont">The most professional online Baan community</span>
		</td>
	  </tr>
	  <tr>
   		<td class="page" align="center">
      		  	<img border="0" src="images/signon.gif" alt="Baanboard Logo" width="177px" height="100px" />
    		</td>
    		<td class="alt2" align="center">
		  	Wait for your browser to redirect you to the start page of the site
      		  	or
      		  	Click to redirect yourself to the <a href="baanboard/index.php">Forums</a> or the <a href="/twiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome">Wiki</a>.
		</td>
  	  </tr>
	</table>
	</td>
  </tr>
</table>
</body>
</html>

Other than in the metatags (mostly overlooked by search engines these days thanks to overabuse), there is no mention of the word 'baan'.
I think some copy on the opening page, with frequent mention of the word baan (both in links, text and emphasis) would really boost our score at this time.

There are also some non-conformances with W3's standard. Typical stupid stuff like not having alternatives for the graphics.

I will make some space available for anybody who wants to try his or her hand at a re-design of the front page. Just mail me your (x)html and I'll put them in a little gallery or something.

Remember, eternal fame and prestige can be won here

PS
Pat, thanks for your blessing! I was thinking that maybe I should have conulted with you before posting this. lol
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Old 11th October 2005, 22:14
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Recursion?

Hi,

can it be that Google an co can be trapped by recursion? I noticed that in the following site http://www.dashes.com/anil/2004/06/04/nigritude_ultra ,which tops (my) google list, there are at least two links to the same page!!! I have a gut feeling that this could be the equivalent to a slippery slope trap for the search engine robots!
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Old 11th October 2005, 23:11
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absolutely. That why it is important to link back in your sig line

And having said that, I need to go practice what I preach
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My First Trap!

Calling all robots! Baan
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The current opening page may not be the best way to promote the site I admit. It was setup to serve 2 purposes initially: a) to provide a gateway to either Forums or Wiki and b) to protest against software patents. Since b) is not really valid any longer (not for the immediate future) it is probably a good idea to revisit this. The most simple option is to set the root of the site the opening page of the forum, which is the most visited page of the whole site.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by patvdv
Since we upgraded to vbulletin 3 the low-text version of Baanboard (called Archive) is available to anyone for reading including search engines. Even the old problem of search-engine-unfriendly-URLs is lifted by this feature.
If we are depending on the archives to help us get a higher ranking - the problem could be this ... the siglines do not appear there. And hence no link backs to baanboard. Does it make sense to put the siglines in the archives as well?
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Hi Vamsi,

The software automatically strips siglines from the original post and there is no toggle or switch to prevent this.

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You can use this site to analyise your site as well. It is quite useful. You can also analyise competitors and compare them to your site.

http://www.bruceclay.com/web_rank.htm
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a chinese guy love baanboard.com

i am so like www.baanboard.com and like Google's game .
so i designed one page for baan,named BaaN china fans(A website about BaaN ERP for Chinese BaaN Users and Fans). in this website,lot of links to baanboard.com!
here is the address,http://www.cuiwenyuan.com/baan/
logo as below,hope useful to Baanboard.com
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New opening page

Here is a first concept for a new opening page (and css) for BaanBoard.

Comments, criticism, advise and improvements...please.

New BaanBoard Opening Page
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Check the standings on Google:
Search for baan forum, lists us at #1
Search for baan, lists us at #5

Can we call this project a success?
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Thumbs up Wow, the Google game...

I'm glad somebody is still paying attention.

As I changed my hemisphere since the beginning of this game I am now in the position to check our ranking on a different Google server.

Traditionally 'baan' has been a tough search on the Belgian/Dutch google because baan in dutch means job and therefore we have to compete with one million jobseekers, tempagents and headhunters.

For 'baan forum' we rank #2, right after a big employment forum. Not bad, not bad at all.
Baanfans comes in at #4. Muhahaha! In your FACE!

For just 'baan' we are not mentioned on the first 4 pages.

'baan erp' puts us in position #6. The competition is nowhere in sight.

It is amazing but after all this time we actually shifted in the right direction.

Maybe I put the bar a little high when I made the #2 position our goal for 'baan'.
As you mentioned previously, 'baan forum' is the correct search term.

In that case, the project is indeed a success and somehow we met the goal.
Can we be sure that it was through the efforts we made over a year ago? Did Google change its algorithm during that time?
For that matter, how are we doing on Page Rank? (I don't do Google bars anymore).
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