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toolswizard 19th August 2002 20:16

Has anyone evaluated Cordys.
 
Cordys is being billed as a better than Open World product. Can anybody give more information that what we would get from Cordys themselves. (or their partner Trinet)

reintjan 20th August 2002 16:43

1 Attachment(s)
Hi,

I once read the following comparison of Baan's OpenWorld and Cordys. Maybe it helps you further?

Bye,
Reint Jan

toolswizard 22nd August 2002 21:20

Thank you for the attachment. I can not read it after I download it. Is anyone else having problems.

patvdv 22nd August 2002 21:38

Works for me no problem. Maybe wrong Adobe Acrobat version?

MarcoRossi 15th July 2004 12:18

We evaluated Cordys
 
Hi,

we are an Italian customer using Baan IV. We tried Cordys, but we were very disappointed. Mainly it is an empty toolbox, it does not perform and does not add value on openworld. We use today MS tools + biztalk and we go via OW to Baan IV. We built our own collaborative solutions. MS tools are flexible to get there. I believe that technology is consolidating and SSA is doing business with the biggest. Why should I invest in Cordys? THey don't have something unique, the same things I can do with MS or even IBM. Plus I don't trust the company, I mean....MS and IBM will be there in 10 years. Cordys?

Anyother?

EdwinvdBorg 15th July 2004 13:03

Discussion is interesting but useless
 
Hi All,

The discussions between Cordys and Open World are very interesting.
As long as we keep it to technical and functional details and are not going to make things personal.

The only thing that surprises me is that the supporters of Open World seem to forget that Open World as a platform will be replaced by Websphere in the future.
See the quote from one of our French members in http://www.baanboard.com/baanboard/s...ad.php?t=15813.

During the BAAN World User Meeting in Charlotte, TN last year it was clear that SSA was going to plan this at that time already.
If it is not the case then they certainly created a lot of confusion among customers.

Regards,

Edwin

Arend-Jan 15th July 2004 14:06

Not correct
 
Hi Edwin,

You are not correct in this area. Please check your sources. OpenWorldX is not dead or replaced. OpenWorldX is strategic to SSA Gobal and will be supported now and in the future. SSA Global has a strategic alliance with IBM to resell and use the IBM middleware products. The IBM middleware together with OpenWorldX provides a lot of extra functionality and integration capabilities. For example connectivity to other ERP vendors or CRM vendors (like Siebel). OpenWorldX will be used for connectivity towards and from SSA Global products. SSA Global is heavily investing in the OpenWorldX product.

AJ

MarcoRossi 15th July 2004 14:07

Hi Edwin,

thanks. Yes not getting personal. Sorry if that was the case. I have been to the GGG (Global Guide Group) forum in Rome (March 2004) where the 100 top EMEA customers were invited. SSA Global made there a clear statement that WebSphere will not replace OpenWorld but it would be a natural extension on top of it. For sure, SSA wants to own the last mile of integration, meaning that the adapters and connectors will be owned by them. I saw also a demonstration of OpenWorld Adapter on BPCS, even with WebServices. This is for me a prove that they are investing in OW rather than phasing it out

Marco

Jeremy Williams 15th July 2004 14:33

Hi Marco,

Good to see that OpenWorldX is not phased out.

BTW, Is there any big Cordis event scheduled in my region (South Africa) ?

Thanks!,
Jeremy

pamillet 15th July 2004 15:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by EdwinvdBorg
Hi All,

The discussions between Cordys and Open World are very interesting.
As long as we keep it to technical and functional details and are not going to make things personal.

The only thing that surprises me is that the supporters of Open World seem to forget that Open World as a platform will be replaced by Websphere in the future.
See the quote from one of our French members in http://www.baanboard.com/baanboard/s...ad.php?t=15813.

During the BAAN World User Meeting in Charlotte, TN last year it was clear that SSA was going to plan this at that time already.
If it is not the case then they certainly created a lot of confusion among customers.

Regards,

Edwin

I confirm others answers. OW is not dead.
I've posted a message regarding OW/Websphere after a presentation form SSA chairman presenting a WS strategy and the news published by IBM.
But the answer from SSA France is clear. Websphere will be an extension of OW for others package integration. Connectors and adapters are obviously still needed, but even the broker and studio will be in the SSA solution porfolio... A new version has been released on the name SSA OpenWorld...

So, my understanding for integration solutions depending on your requirments
first level... API, OLE and specifics... for a limited number of interfaces...
second level... OW.. specially for SSA centered information system
and for very large project including hetegoneous package... Websphere...

and don't forget a free alternative... free broker as jonas, eclipse as studio...

I don't know in that approach what could be the cordys positionning... How to compete on low cost with free solutions, on functionnalities with market leaders, and on BAAN integration with SSA ???

hdruiter 20th July 2004 15:00

Pierre
 
Just keep watching what the real story will be from SSA and you might be surprised. The marketing story could be different from reality.

for Portal: IBM
for EAI: Crossworld
for Workflow: Fujitsu
for BIS: Cognos
for Baan Adapter: OWx
for ...: many others ....

Success in implementing this stack!

pamillet 20th July 2004 15:08

SSA porfolio
 
Yes... a lot of solutions...

and more
for ERP: BPCS, PRMS, MAX, MASTERPIECE, BAAN (MK, MANAMAN-X...), and now solutions from MARCAM company...

the question is: Can you build a long term strategy with such an heteronegeous portfolio... You could answer, of course no.... But do you really think that a "from scratch" strategy is still possible if you want to be a major actor ?

So, why not a merging strategy ?... and why not being lucky... Suppose a real EAI/BPM standard emerging and all existing solutions working to support this standard... and your problem is solved.. !

pam

jeremyjohnson65 20th July 2004 17:13

Hi hdrouter,

In the latest user group I have seen real customer stories about these solutions. The customer was showing his implementation. I think SSA is choosing best of breed. In addition they stated they will support more. They want the customers to choose their platform. They don't want customers to be enforced to one single proprieraty framework.

If you are telling me that this is their marketing story, could I think the same about Cordys?

Good luck with selling this stack

hdruiter 20th July 2004 23:33

best of breed...??? or best of maintenance...???

The Cordys story is about 3WC standards Java/XML object architecture, agnostic to J2EE and .Net. The market likes it very much...

Just keep watching

jeremyjohnson65 21st July 2004 11:07

Hi hdruiter,

3WC? What kind of standard is that? you mean W3C I hope....I was wondering as an independent consultant why Cordys people always have negative comments / stories around SSA Global? From outside, I like to see a metric driven company that balance innovations with customer demand. That was another story with the old management and most of them are working at Cordys today ( I have heard). Actually a lot of innovations are happening. They are working on a complete linux-mysql-mozilla support for lowering the TCO and using OWX technology to open up the other ERPs.


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